Of all the 338's to be had the 338 Winnie is the best of the bunch. The 338 lapua mag was developed from day one to be a long range target round. Shoot what ever it its is that you want to shoot. With a fat, unbelted case based on the .404 Jeffery case necked down it has more case capacity than the .375 Weatherby, thus in handloads is potentially faster. Learn more! This was the gun he brought to shoot. Register
Ruger Vs. H&H. Then the bullet will kill, clean, cook, and pack out the moose all in 1 shot. The 340 breaks STD Leupold mounts like no other cartridge I know of. I've heard it was real common for those M-70 s to have that very longish throat . Yep - the .378 rim/diameter is larger than the .375 of either name. The 340 was a USA Maine Made MK V SS that I got for a song, the guy that had it could not shoot it. I think this Mark V .340 falls somewhere in between Cool and Mega Cool. Shootist: You're correct.In looking at your trajectory table I see the same things I have been seeing for 20-30 years with a wide variety of 7mm and 300 magnums with a variety of bullets. Hey! Too me it's kinda like which will hit harder, a Chevy pickup going 60 or one going 50 with a load of firewood in the back. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction; that is one of the physical laws of our universe. Bob , I think chamber dimentions have alot to do with it , but that was the situation with my rifles......a mid seventies push feed M-70 with a BUNCH of free-bore , and a Whitworth with a pretty snug throat . the same username and password for all areas. Re: 340 Weatherby vs. 338 lapua It was created by Weatherby as an alternative to the 338 win mag hunting load and no one ever developed a match bullet for it. Register
Moose are not bullet proof, Its finding one to shoot and then getting one out from where you shot it to the cooler that is the hard part. Too many other variables that can't be controlled in the field. Hunted a bunch with one in the late 1960's to the mid 1970's. This page was generated at 1 minute ago. We drove out to the woods, got out of the car and there I am standing in my suit and he hands me the gun with a big grin on his face. Casey, Kevin, I have found the same to be true, the RUM's are kik'n SOB's. This I know can have a 375 H&H fired out of it in a pinch with less accuracy but it can be done if something happens to your ammo. For sure. He too believes his is the better mouse trap. Please use
I guess I am a minority here, but I don't notice a whole lot of difference between my 340 and my two 375s I have owned. Only because it was the barrel on the Blaser R-93 that I wanted. After tap dances with several 338's,the 340(a buddy's I got to shoot and load for a lot),the 358 STA before it "was",and the 375AI,I just settled on the H&H round in an 8 pound rifle.Hunting with some of them and watching them all work on game(except the AI)I concluded there was no difference. For your security,
I like the 338 a lot, it makes a lot of sense for a hunter of big game, but so dose 15 or 20 other cartridges you would name also. I’d much rather put a box of .375 H&H downrange at one sitting than a box of .340 Weatherby. My 338 rum runs 225 gr accubonds over 3200 fps... smack down deluxe. Either way the result will be the same. Other's mileages may vary. Ingwe: Yes, the trajectory is similar to the 30/06/165;and the 270 with 150.At 400 yards that load is down about 14".O'Connor always said the 375 is a great,big 30/06 or 270. Plenty cartridge for Moose or anything else. My customer told me a bunch of times he had a Weatherby 340 Mag which he didn't shoot much because the recoil was so brutal. The 330 Dakota shot great in the Ruger # 1 I hand built. I remember seeing a post of that rifle before.. It's more than the .338, which I also considered, but not by any huge extent. Once I got all the screws tight and a scope mounted, the rifle once I got it zeroed shot very well with 210 gr Nosler Loads in Weatherby Ammo. That's a H&H Couch and way to comfortable to part with. My M700 has a 375 H&H mag length and no mag restrictions, so you could load the 338 WM to a longer OAL or even rechamber to 340 WBY if you really wanted to. Not that you could observe and draw any conclusions from. In other words, you can load a .338-caliber 300-grain bullet on the .340, and this bullet has a greater potential for penetration than a 300-grain bullet used on the .375 H&H, because of the greater SD. Adam Weatherby's First Harvest with 6.5-300 Cartridge: Proving Grounds ... Hippo & Crocodile. Sold my Mark V in that chambering in 1969 and replaced it with another M70 in .375 H&H. Definately, the 340 does tend to be a bit more assertive... Ingwe, Ingwe, Ingwe, how can you say that th 340 lacks "cool" factor? Matter of a fact when I was in high school we had to a do a research paper on someone prominent in history, I chose Elmer Keith. More of just a different way to skin a cat. This means that the momentum of a rifle's reaction will exactly equal the momentum of the bullet and powder gasses ejected from the barrel. My brothers 300 RUM's recoil is significantly harder than anything I've ever gotten from any load out of my .340, Elmer Keith? The .340 flat puts the smack on stuff. The 340 is basically the 334 OKH. I feel that the 338 lacks the cool factor but the 340 in a Remmie or 70 or #1 just plain has cool all over it... Well...we DO know it will "cool" elk to ambient temperature pretty quick... Come to think of it when I first started making brass for my 340 I recall Hagel getting me to use H&H brass, does that count? is based on the .300 Weatherby case, slightly shortened to 71.76mm which gives the latter considerably greater powder capacity. However, Roy took advantage of the longer case to pack in more powder for greater velocity. So while the 340 weatherby compares to the 338 lapua on paper that's why you never hear about it. All morning long he told me how much the gun kicked. Thou the cartridge is a good one, cases last a long time but its a handloader's deal. Alaska Outdoors
your account management area, forums and University require login. Thou it was heavy and the recoil was their it shot 230 gr Winchester Fail Safes into very small groups at 200 yards. Oct 20, 2009 #20 rosco Joined Dec 13, 2000 Messages 5,176 Location La Palma, CA, USA. Introduced in 1944, the .375 Weatherby is an improved version of the .375 Holland & Holland. Currently A-square is the only other factory ammunition producer of the .340 Weatherby Magnum, which has led to limited popularity of the caliber. 340 Weatherby Magnum Produced 1963 Shooting a .338 caliber bullet, the 340 Weatherby was designed as a response to the 338 Winchester Mag. My Sako .375 is a breeze to shoot; recoil is there but very tolerable. I would guess if we could survery dead critters they would not be able to tell a difference, dead is dead. 250 gr. Absolutely, fun? This 360-page book is a great resource for any Alaska moose hunter, regardless of experience level. The 375 will do anything the 338 or 340 will do only better and saying "375 H&H" is way cool. and even rivals the larger .375 H&H, providing a much flatter shooting and harder hitting performance. Many wildcats and the .375 Weatherby Magnum have the body taper removed and have a sharpened shoulder angle, increasing case capacity and velocity. In the brush definitely the 375. Joined: Jun 23, 2012 Messages: 32 ... Well, I am glad that what I did fear was some the reasons for these has to to with the user, not the gun and also to that Weatherby did use poor bullets, a good bullet in 375 H&H may not be a good bullet in a 378 WM, same to be with a 450 NE vs a 460 WB. It had a break on the dam thing and it was loud. Hornady engineers did a good job of making the .375 Ruger case short enough to work in the standard-length Ruger Model 77 Hawkeye action while at the same time giving it enough girth to increase capacity a bit beyond that of the .375 H&H case. Still have several of his books, a couple signed. Elmer understood clearly that it was impossible to overkill an animal but quite possible to under kill one. The 340 starts a 250 gr bullet at 2900 fps;the 375 H&H starts a 250 gr bullet at 2900 fps.Zeroed 3"+ at 100 yards,300 yard impact will be so similar you can't tell the difference between the cartridges. but I shot fine, I hunted a couple of years with it and it when into the safe and sat there for a decade before I sold it. The .340 Wby didn’t hit the streets until 1962 after Winchester had proved the value of the .338 caliber with its .338 Win Mag of 1958 based, big surprise, on the H&H case. After many years out of production, the 375 was reintroduced in 2001. as does the .375 Remington Ultra Magnum, but the greatest threat came along in 2007, with Hornady’s development of the .375 Ruger. I would add that the shooter will probably be reacting to recoil while Mr. moose is reacting to the bullet strike so you might need a partner to shoot if you want to note any difference in the reaction(s). I doubt very much that all things being equal (which of course they never are) that you would ever tell the difference between the … You can make a rifle that you can carry and still shoot it when you need to. The .375 Weatherby Magnum and its big brother, the .378 Weatherby, offer an increase in velocity (500 fps for the big .378!) Either will work well at said distances. Its something I've thought about replacing my 340 with. Released in 1962, the 340 Weatherby Magnum was based quite simply on the .300 Weatherby cartridge necked up to .338 caliber. Bob, having been a Medium Bore Whore my entire life, I don't have a one anymore. Yes, they are very versatile cartridges...all of them.Your observation on the recoil is interesting...wonder if it relates to what JB wrote about "muzzle pressure" a few years back,ie less with the 340 with the same bullet weights as the 300's? My sako shoots pretty much what ever I feed it, another plus. Many elk and a couple moose on trips to Alaska are not around to argue either. with caliber would hit harder from 1-300 yards the 340 has more energy but the 375 has bigger mass and bigger caliber. The .375 will only reliably kill everything deader than hell. I am a Weatherby guy so I say 340, but I will also add a 300 mag of any sort is plenty for anything other than great bears in North America. Long barrel long range the 340. Ingwe, your differentian between cool and mega-cool is acceptable. Now have many more rifles, but never bought another .340 - it's a great rifle for certain shooters in certain specialized applications, but not an AAR for me. GREAT cartridge! I’ve sent hundreds of rounds of 340 Weatherby down range and … Gunpowder Charge Weight Velocity m/s Velocity fps; Norma 204: Max 86.5 Min 82.0: 1022 954: 3353 3130 Weatherby also designed a line of high-velocity magnum cartridges, like the .270 Weatherby Magnum, the .300 Weatherby Magnum, the .378 Weatherby Magnum and the .460 Weatherby Magnum. By Chuck Hawks. (not that a 275gr .338 A-Frame @ around 2600fps wouldn't be attention getting). We hunt and shoot for enjoyment so I would go with whatever floats your boat. Secondly, while I am not particularly recoil-sensitive, the .338 Winchester Magnum—especially in a less-than-perfect-fitting rifle—can be snotty off the bench, and the .340 Weatherby can be downright nasty. The 338 Lapua has a case capacity of 114.2 gr of water, while the 340 Weatherby- 98.0 gr, 338 Remington Ultra Mag- 113 gr., and the capacity of 338-378 Weatherby is 125 gr. Weatherby Firearms has continued the tradition of high-velocity, flat-shooting cartridges when the company released the 6.5-300 Weatherby Magnum in 2016. Good stuff, Casey. I believe in both also. The H&H can be fired in a 375 Weatherby. The .375 Weatherby Magnum (9.5×73mmB) is a medium-bore rifle cartridge. The Alaska Moose Hunting Guidebook is now available for Apple devices and for Amazon Kindle. With that being said, I love the big(er) bores. Need advise on deciding 338-378 vs 340 vs 375 26 Replies; ... cartridge is flat shooting and excellent for longer range shots on large game like elk and moose etc. Acually outside of the really big DG it's enough for Africa but that wasn't really my intent. In field tests the .340 clearly out performs the 300 Ultra mag, .338 win mag. IMO one of Roy's best creations. The .340 is Roy Weatherby’s answer to the .338 Win. IIRC, the 378 Weatherby like is quite a bit larger in diameter thann the H&H. Also there is the Ammo, its pretty much every were. the best is the 340 necked up to 375.........(grin). This cartridge is the result of giving the “Weatherby treatment” to the legendary 375 H&H. It's a bit less than the .375, especially if you're really intending to shoot heavier bullets (300gr) in the latter at mean critters. Welcome! My Montana hunting buddy has been packing a 340 Weatherby for almost as long. While the .375 H&H wears the crown for the bore diameter, there have been challengers. To avoid exceeding the required maximum overall cartridge length of 3.340 inches, bullets have to be … As to the recoil, I find them to feel about the same. Left to right: .376 Steyr, .375 Flanged Magnum, .375 H&H Magnum, .375 Ruger, .375 Weatherby Magnum, .375 Remington Ultra Magnum and .378 Weatherby Magnum. I guess the answer would depend on your recoil tolerance. So I bought the thing and a pile of ammo to go with it. To post to our forums, please register. True enough, the case design is no longer “modern.” Based on the full-length .300 H&H case with body taper removed, the case length of 2.825 inches requires a .375 H&H-length action. Marishka. Each new Weatherby set speed records and helped fix the belted magnum mystique. With the .340 case you can also form brass from .300 wby, or with a little fire forming you can also make cases from the .375 H&H and others. The .338 Mag. Mag and enjoys a cult-like following. and even rivals the larger .375 H&H, providing a much flatter shooting and harder hitting performance. As for recoil, even out of my sub-six-pound MG Arms Ultra-Light , it is a mild push instead of a sharp crack like the .300 Wby., and it prints half-MOA groups all day long. for a free forum account | Upgrade to a Supporting Forum Membership | Manage Your Account/Update Password. All times are GMT-9. from what i read the faster the bullet the more meet damage but i don't shot the shoulder i shot the vitels so would the 340 kill faster? Hammerdown, tell us about your 338 RUM, just for S&G. AccuBond at 2941 fps. That is not the case with the .338 Lapua or the .338 RUM. sd,likely you're right...I dunno as,other than some load work for 270 gr bullets and some 300 gr factory stuff, I have shot nothing but the 250 gr for quite a few years now. 1629; Cancelled bear hunt so I could get this; Re: 300 wby vs. 340 … for a free forum account | Upgrade to a Supporting Forum Membership |. Bryan: You have made good points, but keep in mind that penetration depends a lot on bullet construction and SD. It has Roy Weatherby’s distinctive double-radius shoulder which, to my knowledge has never been proven to have any real advantage. I find the recoil of the 340 to be more jarring in rifles of comparable weight. .375 is a bigger push, .340 is quicker; equally uncomfortable. Take your moose hunt to the next level! The .340 hits harder on the back end of the rifle; the .375 hits harder on the target. In field tests the .340 clearly outperforms the 300 Ultra mag, .338 Win mag. except, I had 2 375 H&H that would struggle to reach 2800 with 250 s , despite no lack of trying on my part, and using a number of different powders .......load data from several manuals reflects that situation, I beleive . Had a friend that was buddies with him and sure wish I would have had a chance to meet him. Supersite offers several membership levels. One of my hunting partners, who has been an Alaska resident for more 30 years, has carried the 375 H&H for all of those plus some. Fourth Place: .340 Weatherby Magnum, 31.4 Points. What's great about this chambering is that it will still digest factory .375 H&H as well as .375 Weatherby ammo. I just didn't want the lesser informed who may be viewing the thread to become misguided. Oct 19, 2009 #19 C. Calif. Hunter New member. I drooled over a left handed double in the Holland and Holland store in New York but just couldn't scare up the $150K. the last is the 375 Weatherby. Problem solve just get both of them. I will admit that for the last four years I have gone back to the 7mm Remington Mag. On elk I really couldn't tell the difference between the 340 and the H&H. One of my heros. Alright, hope everyone knows I was being a smarta$$. The .340 Wby Mag. The contents of the Alaska Outdoors Supersite
Logged Pennsylvania "Big Woods" Mountain Buck. It too needs a magnum length action and few companies other than Weatherby chamber rifles for … I've never fired a 340, but had a 338 RUM that was the most vicious recoiling rifle I ever fired. At the moment I've got a 340, 2 375h&h's, and a 375 wby. Unlike other improved versions of the .375 H&H Magnum like the .375 Ackley Improved, the .375 Weatherby Magnum is not a wildcat … As for the 375 H+H its a fine cartridge, thou I see little need for it other than maybe Brown Bear in Alaska, and even then a 338 with some good bullets is more that up to the task. History. I have a accubrake on my ULW 300WBY and it reduces recoil to about my 30-06 that is a few pounds heavier so if recoil is any issue count it as a cost of buying the rifle and have it done. below. Shoots as flat as a 270 Win with the power of the 375 H&H. The 340 does shoot flatter. The .375 RUM made its debut in 2000. My vote: 375 H&H. He believes in the 375 for sure and he has convinced a number of bear, moose, caribou, mountain goat, etc... that is work pretty damn well. if it was a elk my choice would be a 340Roy and if it was a elephant would go with the 375 H&H..... its moose im not wonering with is better i now the 2 are relly good choices but with 1 hits harder that u can see the animal got hit buy its reaction. Re: 375 h&h vs 340 weatherby - 01/03/10 I have shot both a bit, the 375 on elk and in Africa, the 340 on about eight bull elk. By enlarging the case to hold more powder, Roy Weatherby was able to achieve 200 more fps than the respected Holland & Holland version. The cartridge is blown out, improved and provided with the Weatherby double radius shoulder – given the Weatherby treatment – version of the .375 H&H Magnum. what are you shooting? I never shot anything with my 338 RUM, but have killed several CA pigs very dead with the H&H. In the end you have to be able to put the bullet were it needs to go. Like the H&H and Weatherby it requires a full-length (.375 H&H) action. It to became a safe queen. I like both of them. 375 H&H Vs 375 Ruger Part I of II Godzilla Vs Mothera…With Handload Data by ©RGI Media, Inc - Published with permission I was disappointed with both Ruger and Hornady during the introduction of the new 375 Ruger cartridge and firearms. Currently A-square is the only other factory ammunition producer of the .340 Weatherby Magnum which has led to limited popularity of the caliber. On my first trip to New Zealand, I brought along a .338 to conduct my various slaughters, and fell into a conversation with a fellow hunter who was a fan of the .340 Weatherby… In an attempt to increase the authority and efficiency of the .375 H&H Roy Weatherby blew out the case body dimensions of the H&H cartridge … SaxonPig, Jun 23, 2012 #8. pubthumper Member. Now, you may say that the 375 has a higher "cool" factor; but, the 340 is definately high up on the "cool" factor list. 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